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xx The Fans' Views on Villains
« Thread started on: Dec 7th, 2005, 6:20pm »

A change of pace; an actual rant that ISN'T about VU.

I really, really, REALLY need to get this off of my chest. Don't go ranting that I'm being mean here; I am in the right place, and for the most part, doing the right thing. I'm not picking on any one person here.

Wherever I go, be it this site, DeviantART, Neoseekers, Fanart Central, Fanfiction.net, or various other places that involve the purple dragon, there are various medias that involve the villains.

And most of the time, no one really seems to get it. To shorten it up in a list:

Gnasty Gnorc
*Is NOT a brainless idiot.
Okay, enough. Quit installing Crush and Gulp's thinking into Gnasty Gnorc. Someone that can form coherent sentences and then change dozens of dragons into crystal is not going to have a small brain. Let's see YOU remember something that happened six years ago in exact detail.
*Is not just a lackey. He can be the boss.
*Is not a knock-off of Shrek.
*Is not a woman. (I blame the A Hero's Tail armor. tongue)
*Takes orders from Red, but not the other villains. He's not a trade-off lackey.
*It's spelled Gnasty Gnorc, not Nasty Gnorc.

Ripto
*Is NOT a mindless idiot. (Egotistical =/= idiot)
*Is named Ripto, not Riptor, Repto, or Raptor.
*Is a prejudiced jerk who absolutely hates dragons.
*WILL NOT TAKE ORDERS FROM RED.

The Sorceress
*Is NOT a mindless idiot.
*Has no defined species yet (though the manual calls her dinosaurian), so no claiming that you're absolutely sure that she's something.
*Is in fact old, and will not act like a horny teenager.
*Has no defined name yet.
*Is not a riptoc, rhynoc, or gnorc.

Grendor
*Is NOT a mindless idiot.
*Is now a good guy, so leave him alone.
*Has one head now.
*Is in fact a rhynoc, not a riptoc or gnorc.

Red
*Is not smarter than the other villains combined.
*Is NOT the mastermind of the other villains.
*WILL NEVER EVER TURN GOOD. (Shadow Legacy is potentially hinting towards a potential betrayal in the next games.)
*Will not have ultra special daughters with hearts of gold and will cure Red of his evilness blah blah blah. His offspring will be BRATS. You know, Veruca Salt in nature?
*Is not Spyro's father.
*Is not Spyro's lover.
*Is not a ladie's man. QUIT IT.
*Is a sadist. As in, he'll torture, brutally harm, and demean anyone that he sees fit. He may speak like a gentleman, but he'll freeze you into a statue and smash you into ice cubes if you annoy him.
*Is in fact a dragon and not a gnorc, riptoc, or rhynoc.
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xx Re: The Fans' Views on Villains
« Reply #1 on: Dec 7th, 2005, 6:54pm »

hmmm well I see your points
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xx Re: The Fans' Views on Villains
« Reply #2 on: Dec 7th, 2005, 8:31pm »

on Dec 7th, 2005, 6:20pm, Turquoisephoenix wrote:
Red
*WILL NEVER EVER TURN GOOD. (Shadow Legacy is potentially hinting towards a potential betrayal in the next games.)


I hope it is. And I hope he takes the kids he teaches with him to the dark side.

All I got from the end, though was...
SPOILERS!
...that the Sorcerer returns eventually...
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xx Re: The Fans' Views on Villains
« Reply #3 on: Dec 8th, 2005, 01:45am »

on Dec 7th, 2005, 6:20pm, Turquoisephoenix wrote:
Red
*Will not have ultra special daughters with hearts of gold and will cure Red of his evilness blah blah blah. His offspring will be BRATS. You know, Veruca Salt in nature?
A small reference to sues leaking through. XD

That's a handy guide for fanfic writers as well as those who want to learn more about the characters. I remember your guide on the Crash Bandicoot villains (whether I commented or not I cannot remember)
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xx Re: The Fans' Views on Villains
« Reply #4 on: Dec 8th, 2005, 6:00pm »

well Gnasty does seem stupid and nothin can really change my mind aboutt hat but I see where your comming from so I respect your oppinions and agree with lots of em
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xx Re: The Fans' Views on Villains
« Reply #5 on: Dec 9th, 2005, 12:25am »

on Dec 7th, 2005, 6:20pm, Turquoisephoenix wrote:
Red
*Will not have ultra special daughters with hearts of gold and will cure Red of his evilness blah blah blah. His offspring will be BRATS. You know, Veruca Salt in nature?
*Is not Spyro's father.
*Is not Spyro's lover.
*Is not a ladie's man. QUIT IT.


*dies laughing*

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Yes, it's sad but true. The poor villains, used and abused by psycotic fans. Especially Red. Poor bloody Red. If there is one Spyro villain I would NEVER want to be, it is undoubtedly Red. Heck, his fan-abuse is almost enough to conjure pity for the sadistic old dragon... Almost.

And, yes, the mis-spellings of Ripto. Heck, if I had a dollar for everytime I saw a mis-spelled version of Ripto...
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xx Re: The Fans' Views on Villains
« Reply #6 on: Dec 9th, 2005, 08:39am »

on Dec 7th, 2005, 6:20pm, Turquoisephoenix wrote:
Red
*Is not a ladie's man. QUIT IT.


Pft...Yes I know that's the truth, but still I like him -_-
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xx Re: The Fans' Views on Villains
« Reply #7 on: Dec 9th, 2005, 9:42pm »

*applauds*

Wait, your YoTD said the Sorceress was a dinosaurian? I heard she was closely put as an alligator (ala Mz. Ruby). o.O
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 10th, 2005, 12:22am »

But btw I know I'll get egged for this but

Gnasty and his team got beat by a Dragon who well was pritty much a newbie to fighting ((heck Spyro couldnt even swim)) and Spyro coudlnt double jump hover pull up on edges and didnt have the abilities of later games

so what does that say about Gnastys credibility
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xx Re: The Fans' Views on Villains
« Reply #9 on: Dec 10th, 2005, 10:22am »

SD does ake a point there. In your MSTs TP you portray him as a likely candidate for a Gnorc equivelant of Harvord. These things I just dont seem to understand. Though the punch lines are hilarious, he seems boss in more than just brute strength. But taking an example from Warhammer 40Ks equivelant Orcs, they would logically respect nothing BUT strength. This could potentially hold up to quite a debate.
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xx Re: The Fans' Views on Villains
« Reply #10 on: Dec 10th, 2005, 11:16am »

I know this is going to turn into a Gnasty debate.

Well, logically speaking, you HAD to win against Spyro 1, despite being a small dragon, because you were in fact controlling Spyro and there's no such thing as a game where you can't win. If Spyro was, say, a full-grown dragon, the game wouldn't be as fun because Spyro would be big enough to squish a lot of the stuff he has to carry.

Goes to say that heroes have to be small and compact; the game's more fun that way.

As for Gnasty Gnorc, I think it was more of an element of surprise than anything. The gnorcs were busy wrecking havoc and didn't even notice Spyro running around until nearly the second level. They weren't prepared at all (Artisans homeworld, anyone?)


As for Red, yeah, poor guy needs LESS attention. It's killing him.
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