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xx The Issue of Slash -Warning, content
« Thread started on: Nov 13th, 2005, 10:02am »

Given the age of certain board members, I should probably warm you about this topic before you go on reading. If you deem it entirely inappropriate feel free to delete it and I apologise for any discomfort I might cause, but I just think I have to bring this up. Also if this is in the wrong place, feel free to delete them.

I think several people on this board probably write fanfiction for Spyro. And most of us will know what slash and femslash are. Some people like writing/reading it, and other people donít. Of those who do like reading and writing it, the majority are female and the majority of pairings are male. Though other types abound as well.

And then I realised that I have never seen a slash or a femslash done in the Spyro section. Iím not complaining either way on the issue, but it did strike me as rather odd. Usually you find slash even in the most little known fandoms.

At first I thought ďwell, this game is aimed at quite young so maybe thatís why.Ē But then I discovered that this theory didnít work. Iíve seen slash and femslash done in fandoms aimed at much younger people than the Spyro target-age (my Little Pony, for example, has slash fics, as does Max Steel, Ace Lightning and Harry Potter is overrun with it) besides Spyro deals with romance, sometimes quite intimate, and all other areas of that variety, so I really donít see why it would never have come up in this particular fandom. Thereís the bestiality problem there of courseÖ (yuck! Hey, donít say I didnít warn you about this topic). But all the same, thatís never stopped anyone before, and I'm sure there's a bit of subtext towards fem/slash pairings.

Thoughts, anyone?
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« Reply #1 on: Nov 13th, 2005, 10:36am »

Well... in my opinion, most of the slash writers support slash because they think that it's so haaaaaaawt and keeeeeewl. And as, usually, fangirls don't think that dragons or any other species from Spyro are hot enough to be included in slash... Maybe that's why.

And I thank god that there is no slash for Spyro. Some people just don't understand that Spyro is a game for KIDS. >_<
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« Reply #2 on: Nov 13th, 2005, 10:42am »

I support slash and I personally don't think it;s "hawwwwwwt" and "keeeeeewl". I think it's an interesting take on relationships, and knowing that people can consider this kind of thing in fiction is quite positive, to me, as it means people may start to accept that homosexuality isn't such a perversion in Real Life.

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And I thank god that there is no slash for Spyro. Some people just don't understand that Spyro is a game for KIDS. >_<


And yet I see a great deal of het romance going on in the Spyro section, and I am currently betaing for someone, a fic with a rather advanced, romantic scene. Kids are going to see stuff like that. What is it about slash that people think makes it worse?

And like I said, the age boundary of the fandom doesn't stop a lot of writers. I've seen many quite young fandons which feature shonen-ai or yaoi/yuri pairings.
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 13th, 2005, 10:51am »

(*ponders* Great. In my last post, I DID sound like an intolerant homophobe... XP)

You know, it just... scares me that young children support slash and het, as in MATURE scenes. I don't know why, but it creeps me out. And while I DO sound as a slash hater... I tolerate it. I don't support it, but I tolerate it. It's better, in my opinion. (I don't support AHT, but I tolerate it. XD)

And it's true, there ARE many romantic fics in the Spyro Section of FFN. (speaking of Fanfiction.net, aren't you Scarab Destiny? Just wondering... XP)

Anyway, maybe we should wait for *other* people to post their opinions.
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 13th, 2005, 11:00am »

No problem, we all mis-say stuff sometimes.

You're one of the better people out there - you don't like what some people support, but you're happy to lay your disagreement aside, because everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I wish more people could be like that, though overall acceptance of minorities would be nice, tolerance is a good thing.

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To be honest though if I was going to worry about anything like that, I would worry about little kids of 10 and 11 being so invovled in romantic (i.e. sexual) relationships in fiction in GENERAL. I'm not up for graphic PWP stuff, but I don't mind whether or not the characters in question are both male, both female or male and female. It's when ten year olds are supporting sexual content in fics... I dunno, I just don't think they should know about that stuff at that age. So much for the age of innocence sad being the age that I am it might be interesting to give a slash Spyro fic a try, provided it was correctly rated. Not that it'll win me many fans.

Scarab Dynasty smiley yup, that's me. My Spyro fanfic is running a little low, at the moment, but I believe we've met through fanfiction?

And yup, you're right there. Lets here what other people have to say.
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xx Re: The Issue of Slash -Warning, content
« Reply #5 on: Nov 13th, 2005, 1:28pm »

Those names for content are sort of confusing... I don't think I had ever heard of Slash before I actually joined here, whilst I had developed a certain interest in such fics quite some time before that.

I like it quite a bit to be honest, though it would depend on how it is written, and at times what characters the fic is concertrated on. Fem slash, if it does happen to be what I think it is, doesn't really have my interest, but I definately don't mind it being out there. In fact, there's little I can actually be bothered with. I simply accept its existence, but ignore it myself and proceed to the next fic/site. Slash, Fem slash are exactly the same as adult rated romance fics based on a straight pairing, to agree with Scarab.

And I sort of think Spyro's hot, though I do not qualify as a fangirl... I remember having read 2 or 3 slash fics concernign Spyro in the past, one Hunter/Spyro (/Red) and another unfinished. But neither where posted on FF.net... Concidering the reasoning to the existence, or rather the lack of a large number of such fics, I cannot really say anything. Maybe the actual authors interested in Spyro and willign to write a story are somewhat rare...

I agree that it is sort of a scary thought that children that age are into mature rated stuff like slash, but these days I cannot say I'm all that surprised. One gets confronted by it quite a bit. Commercials on tv, adverticements, magazines in supermarkets, certain shops perhaps. Internet most of all. Besides that, children these last generations just seem to be aware of things somewhat faster, at least I think so. Mature rated fics in existance, and pretty easily accessable, aren't the real problem I guess.

... I hope anything I wrote made any sense, or at least proved to be on-topic...
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 13th, 2005, 1:33pm »

It made sense smiley

To be honest what I really wish was that there was a day when we didnít need to use terms to identify fics that contain slash and femslash, and that such relationships were not forcibly separated in fanfic, but all the same when ten year olds have such an awareness of relationships like that, youíve got to worry. Iím glad people are open minded on the issue.

Btw, am I right in saying youíre the Charles Frost from Fanfiction net? smiley hello to you. I think I owe you a thank you Ė you were the first person who ever gave me a review (in this case, to my Spyro fic) on fanfiction.net. Though I did believe you were a GUY, considering your nameÖ whoops
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 13th, 2005, 10:39pm »

Well, I could start by telling you you had been right though, I am a guy, maybe slightly feminine, but still a guy... And I am also that person on FF.net, however, I hardly come there anymore these days, nevertheless your thanks are very much appreciated.

I should welcome you to these boards still, having not yet done so in other threads. It's nice to see another great author like yourself join here. Thus welcome...

I don't really think that day you describe would ever come. Not that I wouldn't want it, it'd be way easier, yet concidering the diversity in people around the world, along with that the different stances, and the fact that a couple of religions, which still have quite some influence, pretty much counter homosexuality.

Maybe though, it'll be overall accepted in the end, however there'll likely remain quite some people that'd still counter fics as such. I were to hope the number of flamers within their midst to be small...

What I myself would be most interested in getting to know, is the reasoning as to why people actually counter slash, to use the fanfic term for now. It's something I fail to understand myself.
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 14th, 2005, 12:07am »

I've never really read much slash, to be pefectly honest. Then again, I've never really read that much fanfiction at all!

Still, I'm not phased about the existance of slash (and fem slash, though I always considered it to fall under the term 'slash') But, by the same token, it would have to be well written for me to read it.

I've always considered PWP (*censored* Without Plot - where they just start banging each other) with distaste, and slash PWP is no different. Seriously, if you plan on having two characters Censored each other for no good reason... plase keep the story confined within your own twisted mind.

As for Spyro slash... well, considering the diversity of species in the canon, there could be some... err... mechanical difficulty involved. Simply homosexual relationships, however, provided they were written well, with a good reason as to why, I would accept. Even in the real world I'm easy with homosexual relationships until they get... intimate.

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« Reply #9 on: Nov 14th, 2005, 10:35am »

Iíve seen some decently done PWP, though it depends on a number of things and you definitely get the impression that most people are just obsessed with the sex. Iíve read a couple of fics based entirely on sex, but there was actually more of a point to them than that, so it probably wasnít entirely a PWP.

See thatís the thing, slash is one thing, bestiality is an altogether different argument. Maybe that's why it never showed up but again, that hasn't stopped other anthromorphic fandoms.

Iím with vemon on the c ensoring front. Unless someone is swearing every two words Iíve no idea why porn (or pr0n, as the net calls it) should be censored.
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 15th, 2005, 3:53pm »

slash couples that i hate-
Jak/Daxter, Jak/Torn, and Ed/Edd/Eddy

not to be homophobe but those couples make me really really really mad!

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« Reply #11 on: Nov 15th, 2005, 3:56pm »

Can't comment on the Ed/Eddy, but I see what you mean about the Jak/Torn. (Just cause they hate each other doesn't mean there's UST invovled rolleyes.) As for Jak daxter... well I don't know, there is this fic, which is rather itneretsing for people who dislike this pairing, as it can be taken either way. It's also very well written.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2135606/1/
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« Reply #12 on: Nov 15th, 2005, 4:01pm »

yeah the people who write fics like that are talented writers but i dont approve of slash

by the way jak and torn dont hate each other its more of daxter hating torn, kleiver, and the villians
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 15th, 2005, 4:18pm »

Well you're entitled to your opinion, of course smiley

Yeah I see what you mean y that. Don't seem to like each other very much, all the same and what with the possible JakAshelin suggestions of the third game I doubt Torn's fondness for Jak is going to increase any. Wonder what it'll be like in Jak X...

It was that fic which sort of turned my head about the Jak/Daxter pairing to be honest, but there's more problems invovled there that just the slash...
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« Reply #14 on: Nov 15th, 2005, 11:05pm »

Just being Admin-y here by saying that topics in this board have to relate to Spyro Shippings. You were fine until you went onto the Jak and Daxter tangent. wink
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