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« Thread started on: May 21st, 2005, 9:04pm »

It it just me, or have the Spyro games been getting worse since VU took over?

Yeah, I know it's a dumb question if you're thinking about ETD,but what about AHT?

Both of those games have those annoying instructions whenever you start a new game. (Those little messages that pop up on the screen about how to fly, flame, charge, etc.) Whether it's Sparx telling you, or the message just appearing on screen and blocking your view, they always get in the way.

And in my opinion, the games are starting to have little, if any, replay value. I've finished AHT twice now, and it's starting to lose its shine.

Also, bad plots, plotholes, unexplained character abscences, personality flips, programming bugs, and just about everythign else we've talked about.

Now, I'm not bashing the games or anything. I'm just wondering who else thinks that the quality of the games has been going downhill ever since ETD.
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« Reply #1 on: May 21st, 2005, 10:31pm »

WARNING ! THIS POST IS NOTHING BUT A BIG RANT

Yes, Spyro games are getting worse, much worse.

Enter the Dragonfly

Take Ripto alone. In Spyro 2, he is daring and loathes dragons. He wants to feed Zoe to Gulp. Spyro and him are biting each other head off.
In ETD, they talk in a "discuss the weather" tone. He admits that Spyro would be a good partner. Can you get more out of character ? Yes.

A Hero's Tail

Not only what Panthergirl said, but this game seems like a rip-off (In my opinion, that is).
The ball-thingie-gadget. Doesnt' it look like Sonic the Hedgehog ? Also, Red has a LABORAYORY in some volcano, that NOONE noticed. He turn the gnorcs in some kind of ROBOTS !
Something that got on my nerves. In YotD, we had five playable characters : Spyro, Sheila, Sgt. Byrd, Bentley and Agent 9. Only ONE of them, the kangaroo, possessed the double-jump. You know, the thing that is spreading to all the platform games.
In AH'sT, Spyro (who couldn't hover, by the way), Hunter and Blink had the double-jump. Very original. Even Blink, who had no experience with fighting, could do that ! Don't you need a long training to double-jump ?!

AT LEAST ETD KEPT A LITTLE OF SPYRO'S ORIGINALITY !

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Next VU's Spyro game will probably be something like :

_Spyro and Ripto must join. If they must collect crystals, encounter a living pickle and defeat some cat sorceress, then VU is the worst copycat I ever saw.
_Ripto traps Spyro by dressing himself as Elora. And as she only wears a shirt... O_o (Twinsanity, anyone ?)
_Elora comes back, but as a... boy. (WTF ?)
_All of the villains join against Spyro. CLICHE !!!
_Moneybags is a Care Bear. And Spyro's brother is Barney.
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« Reply #2 on: May 21st, 2005, 11:31pm »

*ahem*


Yes, VU stinks. We all know it. Hell, if we don't, jeez, where are we? Yes, we're Spyro fans, and by being so, we DO want to preserve the canon, correct?


In EtD, there was ABSOLUTELY no plot, we know. BUT! There was one thing: The characters were still the same as in the Insomniac games. The voices were the same, everything. Sure, Ripto asked Spyro to join forces (from where that came I have no clue. It's RIPTO, for the love of the Leviathan!) and Elora vanished. But still, Spyro wasn't a completely arrogant jerk who does things only for a light gem.


AHT, however, has the moves COMPLETELY changed. Flame is on SQUARE. Charge is on CIRLCE. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THEM?! No hover?! X + X = GLIDE, not jump in the air like a pansy and flutter before gliding! And you had to LEARN gliding! Where the hell did that come from?!


And don't even get me started on the voices. Oh hell no.

The Crash series is doing better at this point. At least Wrath of Cortex was fun, not freeze, load, freeze, load, like EtD. And I hear from more tolerant fans of Crash than I of VU's practices that Twinsanity was more fun than AHT.




If VU continues with its total BS, thrown-together games, I'm gonna seriously be embarassed to call myself a Spyro fan. Censored sellouts to McDonalds...
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« Reply #3 on: May 22nd, 2005, 03:24am »

on May 21st, 2005, 10:31pm, Dark Faun wrote:
_Spyro and Ripto must join. If they must collect crystals, encounter a living pickle and defeat some cat sorceress, then VU is the worst copycat I ever saw.

Hint hint... TP's TROC could be the next Spyro game? =P

Really, didn't VU even play on the previous Spyro games and learn about their character... that's the purpose of making a sequel, the characters stay in character unless there is a reason why they shouldn't. AHT was lame, hardly any story (at least more story than STD and ETD), poor ending, and awful controls... and completely removed Elora and changed Bentley's character completely.
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« Reply #4 on: May 22nd, 2005, 05:00am »

You all have a good point. But, I actualy like AHT. But I didn't like the voices or the controls, but the humor was good. The graphics were good. The free-roam? Exellent. I dislike free-roam, but AHT was enjoyable. Though most of you havre completed it, I haven't. I'm just missing 2 Light Gems and 2 Sparx Shooter Eggs.
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« Reply #5 on: May 22nd, 2005, 06:15am »

on May 21st, 2005, 10:31pm, Dark Faun wrote:
All of the villains join against Spyro. CLICHE !!!


*is hit hard* Ouch!

Hey Ruby, you don't have to worry. You're not the only one. I liked AHT too, even though it has a lot of room to approve and it gives us a lot to rant about it.
And I haven't completed the game yet, I have to 2-4 Light Gems.
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« Reply #6 on: May 22nd, 2005, 10:41am »

"All of the villains join against Spyro. CLICHE !!!


*is hit hard* Ouch!"

Power, I didn't aim at your fic (actually I didn't even think of it). But, hey, if they join as lackeys for Red... That's highly unlikely. Gnasty Gnorc being a lackey ! What did they think at VU ?

Spoiler for Insurrection :
After all, in your fic, they joined but they DEFEATED Spyro. In a game, he would probably win without giving a sweat. THAT is the cliche. And some cliches are well written.
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« Reply #7 on: May 22nd, 2005, 11:19am »

You know what bugs me?

The fact that the game AHT changed moods when you enter the last half of the game.

The first half of the Spyro game had traditional Spyro adventures, complete with mangled voices for the characters, very boring collection of Light Gems, and dry jokes that weren't even funny. (Yeah, yeah. Ooh, that's real funny to talk to the gamer like that just because Otto's "dialect" cheeses you off.)

We get into Red's lair, and everything changes.

You're fighting against robots and you're solving puzzles involving lasers and androids! What the hell? At it wasn't even cartoony robotics like in Enter the Dragonfly's Barn level (I hate that level), but rather more realistic and sci-fi. Since when do you see some dragon shooting electricity at a robot whose scream sounds like the aliens in Star Trek? Huh?

And oh God, the part that brought out Mecha Red. OOH, I KNOW! LET'S MAKE RED A ROBOT USING A ROBOTICIZER! *slaps her forehead* And then after the battle, LET'S MAKE IT SO THAT RED CAN COME BACK! OOH, HOW SPECHUL!

And for the 100%ers, what you get is just plain stupid. OOH! LET'S SEE FOUR ELDERS SITTING OUT THEIR FAT KIESTERS WHILE TALKING ABOUT THE CREDITS! OOH, HOW FUNNEH!

...I'm off to burn more copies of AHT. That game should've never been brought to life.
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« Reply #8 on: May 24th, 2005, 4:50pm »

ETD- lame, boring, plotless. the only thing i liked about it was the new breath abillities (go electric!)

AHT- too bright, annoying music, characters look too different, stupid voices, and where is Bianca?
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« Reply #9 on: May 25th, 2005, 03:25am »

Sheesh, I didn't even like the new breaths! *shudder, double shudder*

VU STINKS. I really think those 2 words covers VU pretty well.

I haven't actually played AHT, I refuse to give any royalties to, or rent anything that has given royalties to, VU. EtD was too horrible.

[useless, boring, fragment of my life bit]

You know, after YotD, when the next release was ... overdue, I actually emailed Insomniac about the series, fearing the worst. Craig Stitt replied (I THINK he was the one that originally suggested to do a game about a dragon) but he was fairly vauge - most probably he wasn't allowed to announce anything publicly at that point!

Anyway, I figured that the series was probably endiing, and came to grips with it, but what ended up happening was FAR worse...

When I first heard that a new Spyro was coing out, I was (naturally) quite excited, even though it was to be made by a different company. So, naturally, like any sane person who had played any of the first 3, I went to buy it.

I bought it off a nice 'little' company by the name of "Electronics Boutique", which, at least where I am, allow you to refund the game fully if you return it in less tha 7 days.

This turned out to be a VERY good move.'

Anyway, I got home holding my 'prize,' popped it into my PS2, and fired it up. So, the program ran fine, I started a new game and waited...

And waited...
And waited...
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After all this waiting, I had been expecting mind-blowing graphics to explode onto the screen - after all surely all that agonising wait had been due to it cacheing CUTTING EDGE graphics - hadn't ithuh

NOPE!

The graphics, being undeniably better than those of the first 3, bring some people to their defence...
Dude, we're talking about a PLATFORM UPGRADE here! Look, I'll demonstrate-

Spyros 1-3 / Spyro EtD

PS1 / PS2

Piddling graphics engine / Really Good Graphic Engine (at this point in time, any way - the PS2 is showing its age now)

The graphics, in short, were really poor - infact, the coding was just **** in general.

Not only this, but the background sounds were annoying. Now, some would say that all the Spyro games have irritating background sounds and music, but this was way worse.

On an overall scale, everything was just generally out of character - it didn't FEEL like a Spyro game; the settings, story, characters... they all felt as though they were out of a different game, or something like that.

Anyway, on that day, the Spyro I had always known died, and I refuse to this day to accept any other 'Spyro' game, and probably will never accept one for the rest of my life...

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« Reply #10 on: May 26th, 2005, 1:25pm »

I was almost swayed by the graphics. I mean, the games look better. The characters are smoother in image. But it's those loading times. I finally lost my patience with it.

In AHT they fixed a lot of the bugs in the game, but they didn't do a thing about the storyline.


PROS---CONS

We get to be Hunter!---Hunter isn't the goofball we're used to anymore.

Spyro no longer has to complete the flying levels! (it's a pro for some of us.)---Sgt. Byrd takes his place. (It's a con for some of us.)

We get to talk to more dragons!---They're all idiots.

We can flame Moneybags and actually get a reaction!---Moneybags is in the game.

There is a map we can use!--- The map lies half of the time.

Spyro's breath looks cooler than ever!---It's frustrating to have to switch from flame to ice to water to flame again in short time periods.

Infinite lives, we'll never get a game over again!---You can get stuck in one little area for weeks untill you can get past the obstacle that keeps killing you.

You can unlock two playable characters!---Why on earth do we want to be Ember or Flame?

When you get enough eggs, you can see concept art and character models!---That still doesn't explain what UV was thinking/smoking/not paying attention to when they made the game.

Something different happens to the villian!--- There's not much of a conclusion after that.

We can take the villian seriously!---There wasn't enough of a plot/challenge in the boss battles/overall buildup to make me care.


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« Reply #11 on: May 26th, 2005, 3:56pm »

on May 26th, 2005, 1:25pm, Panthergirl wrote:
We get to be Hunter!---Hunter isn't the goofball we're used to anymore.


If you want to be Hunter, you can merely go to the 4 speedways in YOTD and play as him for the challenge. Sure, it's this straightforward thing, but that counts for playing as him. You don't just need AH'sT to play as Hunter. Yes, I know in AH'sT, Hunter can be played out like you're Spyro or whatever, but it's not just strictly AH'sT that you can play as Hunter in, no matter how limited!
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« Reply #12 on: May 26th, 2005, 4:19pm »

Yeah. The speedways in YotD were great at playing Hunter. Sure, it wasn't Hunter as himself, but it was still Hunter.


I vote for playing as Ripto one day. Using his scepter and all that, now tell me that wouldn't be cool. Too bad VU'd probably screw that up too.
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« Reply #13 on: May 26th, 2005, 4:46pm »

*reads all replies* Hmm...yeah, in some points I'll agree with all of you, but I refuse to dislike EtD and AHT. I'm giving VU a chance. That's all I'll comment about...

Buuuut, what would be REALLY cool is if you get to play as Elora and Bianca, and you could have Zoe and Sparx as two health bars when your Elora or Bianca. ^^
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« Reply #14 on: May 26th, 2005, 6:27pm »

on May 26th, 2005, 4:46pm, Cocho wrote:
*reads all replies* Hmm...yeah, in some points I'll agree with all of you, but I refuse to dislike EtD and AHT.


I'm half and half. I LOVE my Enter the Dragonfly, but dear God above, do I hate my A Hero's Tail...

Flaming Moneybags in Enter the Dragonfly also gets a reaction. He's only in the game once, and you can even turn him into a block of ice. (Causes freezing in PS2 games) So there we go. grin

What I also hated in AHT was the fact that some of the levels were frustrating. I hated the Cloudy Realms and Aqua Ruins with a passion.

And don't get me started on the music. SAME BLOODY TUNE REPEATED OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN EACH LEVEL!
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